Garmin 245 disappointment - HR/ Pulse Ox (2023)

FunkyDunc

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I bought myself a Garmin 245 for Christmas, mainly around the wrist HR monitor and Pulse Ox functions.

Turns out both functions are rubbish.

Unfortunately I am just recovering from a chest infection.The watch was saying my pulse ox was 83% , the GP practice and our separate meter both the same 95% (when I was at my worst)

I went for a walk yesterday and apparently spent 10% of my walk in HR Zone 5 with a heart rate of 177! When I am fit and well I am blowing out of my arse at 177 bpm, not just breathing slightly more rapid than normal.

I guess the plus side is they sent me the music version rather than the normal version I paid for, but then I never listen to music whilst exercising anyhow.

Posted 2 years ago

Del

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Send it back?

Posted 2 years ago

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FunkyDunc

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You surly cant do that when you have had it a month and a bit and used it?

I dont think its that mine is faulty – just when you actually read up on them people say they are actually pretty inaccurate.

Posted 2 years ago

Nobeerinthefridge

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Are you wearing it too tight or too slack? it’s supposed to be worn just above the wristbone too for accurate (ish) measurement.

Tbh I reckon they don’t work for everyone, as some swear by them. Mines is fine for resting hr, sleep etc, but is generally too high when exercising. I can run really slow (10 minute miles) with my wife and be knocking on 160bpm, in reality with chest strap I’ll be 120-130.

I don’t bother with pulse ox, you can buy a real one for buttons.

Posted 2 years ago

stcolin

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I’ve just bought this watch. Upgrade from an old FR230. Not really bothered about the pulse ox meter. It is also widely accepted, I think, that wrist HRs are not that great. Probably 5-10% off what they really are. The FR245 has the latest V3.0 HR sensor. I used a chest strap HR on my FR230, will be interesting to see what this wrist based one is like when I start running again (this weekend hopefully).

Posted 2 years ago

FunkyDunc

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I don’t bother with pulse ox, you can buy a real one for buttons.

I bought it partially to see if I get exercise induced asthma / pollen induced to save carrying a peak flow tube. Pulse ox finger things wont stay on whilst your running/biking

Posted 2 years ago

ta11pau1

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Got a 245 music too, for general HR it’s fine, mine under reads when over 100bpm by about 10-20 bpm.

Everyone is different and I wear a chest strap when I’m actually riding/running.

Posted 2 years ago

julians

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heart rate on my fenix 6 is reasonably accurate – accurate enough for training with anyway. When you are getting the inaccurate HR numbers, are you recording an activity? according to garmin the watches use a low power mode for detecting heart rate when the watch is in ‘watch’ mode, which can result in inaccuracies. They reckon for more accurate HR you need to be recording an activity.

pulse ox is fairly inaccurate, but I think would reasonably show you if you had a problem not by looking at the absolute numbers, but by comparing numbers to a known good baseline.

Posted 2 years ago

Jase

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Both myself and my daughter have a lower model and the wrist HR has never been accurate e.g. a fastish ride around the woods would say never out of zone 1!

As above always use with chest HR strap now.

Posted 2 years ago

stcolin

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I’d never use the wrist HR for biking. It never rests on your wrist properly, especially mountain biking when you move a lot more.

Posted 2 years ago

joebristol

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I’ve got the 645 music – I think the wrist based heart rate is ok- and it’s convenient on the mountain bike.

Just started turbo training and the 645 broadcasts hr via ant+ so no good with my iPhone I’m using so picked up a Garmin chest hr strap. I’ve got a higher reading on the ramp test on that then I ever have on the wrist based hr – but broadly readings seem in a similar range. So it’s fine for what it is for me on the 645 but not as accurate at extremes as the chest based on.

177bpm just walking seems very high – are you wearing it fairly tight on your wrist or a bit loose? I found it needs to be reasonably tight to stay accurate. If you are wearing it correctly then perhaps you’ve got a faulty watch.

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On the oxygen front I’ve got no clue or prior experience- if it’s the sensor that helps it decide your VO2 max I’m happy to accept what it says – it claims my fitness age is 20 when I’m 40 🤣

Posted 2 years ago

Del

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Dcrainmaker compares various sports watches with heart straps. Generally speaking TL;DR wrist measurements aren’t very accurate for intervals but generally good enough for zone type training. We’re all different though.

Yeah – I’d send it back and get it either exchanged or refunded. It’s either faulty or not fit for purpose for you op.

Fwiw I have an fr935 and I’ve been happy with HR sensitivity. Some people don’t get on with them though. :Shrug:

Posted 2 years ago

scotroutes

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I’m using a Vivoactive 4 but I also have a chest HRM. I’ve used both out on a couple of rides and the recorded HR figures are maybe 2-4% out. Not enough that I really care.

Posted 2 years ago

chakaping

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I’m using a Vivoactive 4

How are you finding it for ride tracking, may I ask? Does it seem to do altitude accurately?

Posted 2 years ago

stanley

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Send it back… it’s faulty or doesn’t fit you properly.
Mine gives very similar HR reading to using a chest strap. As joe mentioned above, I don’t bother with the chest strap anymore; I just transmit from the 245 straight to the Edge.
For me, the readings from the wrist are within 1 or 2 beats of the chest strap, but they do seem to lag by 20 seconds.

Posted 2 years ago

oikeith

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Got a 245 music too, for general HR it’s fine, mine under reads when over 100bpm by about 10-20 bpm.

Everyone is different and I wear a chest strap when I’m actually riding/running.

This but I have the 735XT

Posted 2 years ago

jeffl

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Vivoactive 3 here, although my wife has a vivoactive 4. The HRM on both seems to be accurate enough for my needs. Certainly when It’s showing me hitting 187bpm it feels like it.

PulseOxy seems to under-read for my wife, I’ve not tried it. But as mentioned above it gives you a baseline. So if your normal is 87% rather than 97% but it drops down to 77% then I guess there’s a problem.

Posted 2 years ago

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scotroutes

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How are you finding it for ride tracking, may I ask? Does it seem to do altitude accurately?

Yep. If I ride with mates (remember that?) then we’ll usually be just a few % out. They’ll have a range of Suunto (normally the worst), Wahoo and Garmin.

The biggest discrepancy I’ve found is on walks with my wife. Her Forerunner 35 and my VA4 will be pretty much in sync but if we stop for any length of time, her distance increases over mine. I can only assume her Forerunner is “hunting” while we are stopped, inventing movement where none exists.

As above, I’ve done a few rides to compare the VA4 and either a HRM/Edge 705 or a HRM/Oregon 700. There is never much difference. I now use the VA4 for all my normal riding. The Oregon is only used for bigger/multi-day stuff and when I need the navigation.

Posted 2 years ago

chakaping

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Thanks for that, would be handy to have a device that does the lifestyle stuff of my Fitbit but also has proper GPS.

Do you find the battery life acceptable?

Posted 2 years ago

jam-bo

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The biggest discrepancy I’ve found is on walks with my wife. Her Forerunner 35 and my VA4 will be pretty much in sync but if we stop for any length of time, her distance increases over mine. I can only assume her Forerunner is “hunting” while we are stopped, inventing movement where none exists.

or you have auto-pause on and she doesnt.

Posted 2 years ago

scotroutes

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Yep, though l charge it daily, regardless (I bought one of those little dock things). I’ve never run it close to discharge but then 2020 wasn’t the year to be doing mega rides. If I’m not recording a GPS track then it seems to use little battery.

I should add that I’ve not been used to wearing a watch and have quite skinny wrists so I’ve always been put off by the bigger devices. This one is OK for weight/size and I was willing to compromise on battery life for that reason.

Posted 2 years ago

Nobeerinthefridge

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How are you finding it for ride tracking, may I ask? Does it seem to do altitude accurately?

It’s pretty good tbh, had me 13′ out on the summit of Ben Macdui, which is bloody good IMO. Battery life is excellent, you’ll get even the longest days riding done with it, I’ve had 16 hours walking.

Posted 2 years ago

forge197

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My Fenix 6 HR is pretty good and the Pulse OX is a couple % under the finger tip device we also have, as mentioned I should be able to pick up a change in PulseOX as it’s quite consistent albeit lower than the other measure so would see a big drop.

May be worth a mail into Garmin Support.

Posted 2 years ago

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robvalentine

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I found my vivoactive 3 used to under report my hr by 20-50 beats when zwifting (I have Garmin chest strap. Since I switched to an apple watch it’s within 2 or 3 beats generally (I can live with that). I think the sensors aren’t great.

Posted 2 years ago

cheshirecat

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Fenix 6 Pro (me) and Forerunner 245 Music (wife) user here. Anecdotally amongst a fairly large group of runners and cyclists, the Garmin wrist based HRM seems to work for people with bigger wrists, and not for people with really skinny ones. My wife uses a separate optical heart rate monitor on her forearm (Scosche Rhythm) which works really well. Fenix HRM works perfectly for me.

We’re currently Covid positive, so checking blood oxygen regularly. Garmin seems to be a few % lower than a finger tester, but pretty consistent (94% vs 98%). 83% seems like it’s faulty

Posted 2 years ago

stcolin

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FR245 doesn’t have a barometric altimeter which is a shame. I might try and see the difference between it and my Edge 520plus on one of my standard road routes too see what the elevation difference is.

Posted 2 years ago

markgraylish

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Garmin changed out the optical HRM about 18mths/2 years ago. Not sure whether the FR245 has the new monitor type but my FR945 does. Some of the models mentioned above definitely have the older HRM.

I also have a Wahoo Tickr HR strap which I pair with the Edge 530 and I’ve done several rides where I’ve used both devices at the same time for comparison purposes.

Whilst I’m not watching both screens whilst riding, when I’ve uploaded the rides, the results are usually VERY close (i.e. within a couple of BPM for avg and max values); same with the calorie count.

I’ve also found any metrics derived from the GPS (distance, speed, bread crumbs) to be pretty close though the 945 seems to over read (+10%~) compared to the 530 when mountain biking in trees versus road riding (when the track distances are closer)

BTW: OP – the Pulse Ox is supposed to be used when you are sat perfectly still. Maybe I misunderstood, but you seem to imply you were trying to get a reading whilst moving? If so, try it sat still…

Edit: just to add…the sleep tracking seems pretty useless in my 945. I’m going thru a phase of pretty poor sleep with fairly lengthy awake periods yet Garmin has me sound asleep. I also only get a tiny proportion of deep sleep (typically less than 10 minutes per night). Having said that, I’m not sure how much “deep sleep” to expect…

Posted 2 years ago

Del

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barometric altimeter

One of the reasons I chose my 935. Unfortunately after 2 years it’s bust. 🙄 Not uncommon from what I can tell.

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FAQs

How accurate is Garmin 245 spo2? ›

This is inaccurate, mine shows between 83% and 89% during sleeping and between 90 and 95% most of the time during awake.

Does Forerunner 245 have pulse ox? ›

The Forerunner® device has a wrist-based pulse oximeter to gauge the saturation of oxygen in your blood.

How accurate is the pulse ox on Garmin? ›

The main finding of the present study was that the Garmin fênix® 5X Plus watch overestimated SpO2 at 12,000 ft of simulated altitude as compared to data generated on a medical-grade pulse oximeter, where a bias of 3.3% (95% LOA ranging from −1.9% to 8.6%) was shown.

How do I know if my SpO2 is accurate? ›

Pulse oximeters are most accurate when blood oxygen saturation is between 90% and 100%. Accuracy decreases when blood oxygen saturation is between 80% and 90%, and the devices are least accurate when saturation is below 80%.

Does Garmin overestimate VO2? ›

Garmin's VO2 Max status is pretty accurate. Some studies suggest it overestimates someone's VO2 Max (particularly in men than women) while other studies suggest the opposite is true. What is this? Almost all studies find that Garmin's VO2 Max estimate is within about 5 percent of your true VO2 Max value.

Is Garmin Forerunner 245 VO2 max accurate? ›

The study found that overall the Garmin Forerunner 245 was off by 5.7% when compared to laboratory measurements. The watch was more accurate in runners who had a VO2 max in the range of 44 – 55 ml/min/kg, with an error of only 4.1%. For runners below or above these values the discrepancy was higher.

Does Garmin 245 show VO2 max? ›

The Forerunner® device requires wrist-based heart rate or a compatible chest heart rate monitor to display your VO2 max. estimate. On the device, your VO2 max. estimate appears as a number, description, and position on the color gauge.

Why is pulse oximetry inaccurate? ›

However, pulse oximeters can be inaccurate. Movement, poor blood flow and outside light interference decreases their accuracy. And because the technology relies on light absorption, differences in skin pigmentation affects it, too.

Does Garmin pulse ox read low? ›

It's the same as with reading the heart rate - the watch should be strapped tightly to you wrist and you shouldn't be moving if you want accurate results. Yep, mine are low. Normally around 93-95 % , I used a finger based pulse ox the other day which read about 98% while the instinct was showing 94%.

What should your pulse ox be when sleeping? ›

While asleep, blood oxygen levels typically remain between 95 and 100 percent; however, if levels fall below 90 percent, hypoxemia occurs.

Is SpO2 the same as VO2 max? ›

Although both measurements involve oxygen, SpO2 and VO2 max differ. One involves the oxygen saturation in your blood, while the other shows how efficiently your body uses oxygen.

How often does Garmin measure pulse ox? ›

When All-Day Mode is enabled, the watch will sample your SpO2 levels every 5-15 minutes. If the watch detects a high level of movement (e.g. out for a run) it will read less often. When viewing Pulse Ox widget on the watch, you will see the average of readings for each hour.

Does anxiety cause low oxygen levels? ›

Stress can affect all systems of the body — even leading to lower oxygen levels in the blood and body. If you sometimes feel short of breath when you're stressed or anxious, you are not alone. This is a common symptom of anxiety.

Is an oxygen level of 94 bad? ›

Healthy pulse oximeter values often range from 95% to 100%. Values under 90% are considered low. Often, hypoxemia treatment involves receiving extra oxygen. This treatment is called supplemental oxygen or oxygen therapy.

Is 92 a good oxygen level? ›

A normal oxygen saturation level ranges between 95 percent and 100 percent. Saturation levels may be somewhat lower and considered acceptable if you have a lung disease such as COPD or pneumonia.

How do I get my Garmin VO2 max accurate? ›

Getting Your VO2 Max. Estimate
  1. Hold the touchscreen.
  2. Select My Stats > VO2 Max. If you have already recorded a brisk walk or run outdoors, your VO2 max. estimate may appear. ...
  3. To start a VO2 max. test, swipe up, and select Test Now.
  4. Follow the on-screen instructions to get your VO2 max. estimate.

What is a good VO2 max by age? ›

VO2 Max Percentiles: Men
Age Group5th Percentile75th Percentile
30-3927.249.2
40-4924.245.0
50- 5920.939.7
60-6917.434.5
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Can VO2 max be improved? ›

You can train your Vo2 max most efficiently by working at a high intensity. Many running coaches recommend training at around 90 to 95 percent of your maximum heart rate. Working near your max heart rate helps strengthen the muscles in your heart and increase the volume of blood it can pump with each beat.

How do I turn off the pulse ox on my Garmin Forerunner 245? ›

Turning Off Automatic Pulse Oximeter Readings
  1. From the pulse oximeter widget, hold MENU.
  2. Select Options > Pulse Ox Mode > Off. The device turns off automatic pulse oximeter readings. The device begins a pulse oximeter reading when you view the pulse oximeter widget.

How does Garmin 245 calculate VO2 max? ›

Running VO2 Max Estimates

Heart rate data from a built-in optical heart rate sensor or from a chest strap. Heart rate must be elevated to at least 70% of your maximum heart rate for at least 10 minutes continuously.

How can I make my Garmin Forerunner 245 more accurate? ›

  1. Make sure the firmware is up to date, garmin has made multiple revisions and several of them address accuracy.
  2. make sure you don't have clothes covering the watch.
  3. Turn on alternate constellations try GPS+GALILEO and GPS+GLONASS, use whatever's better.
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How often does VO2 max update on Garmin? ›

Running Activity With GPS

Example: You record a Run activity with GPS, which generates a VO2 max estimate. This VO2 max estimate will display in Garmin Connect and will only update over the next 30 days if you record additional Run activities with GPS.

Why is my Garmin not updating my VO2 max? ›

Ensure that you are not using UltraTrac GPS mode. Devices in UltraTrac mode will be unable to update VO2 max and Training Status. See your owner's manual for instructions on changing the GPS settings. Record all your fitness activities on your device.

What is a good level of VO2 max? ›

Elite male runners have shown VO2 maxes of up to 85 mL/kg/min, and elite female runners have scored up to 77 mL/kg/min. A good VO2 max for a 25-year-old male is 42.5-46.4 mL/kg/min, while a good value for a 25-year-old female is 33.0-36.9 mL/kg/min.

What are 3 causes of pulse oximetry inaccuracy? ›

Be aware that multiple factors can affect the accuracy of a pulse oximeter reading, such as poor circulation, skin pigmentation, skin thickness, skin temperature, current tobacco use, and use of fingernail polish.

What are three conditions that can give a false pulse oximetry reading? ›

Digital pulse oximetry is a rapid noninvasive test and is used to estimate arterial oxygen saturation. However, falsely low readings are common due to a range of causes including motion artifact, hypotension, nail polish, darker skin pigmentation, and venous pulsations.

Can cold fingers affect pulse oximeter readings? ›

Temperature is another, often overlooked, limiting factor for pulse oximetry. It is generally accepted that cold digits may provide inaccurate pulse oximeter readings [19, 20], and simple solutions like rubbing the hands together may solve the problem.

Can Garmin Pulse Ox detect sleep apnea? ›

However, no fitness trackers are FDA cleared to diagnose sleep apnea, that goes for AppleWatch, FitBit, and Garmin.

What is considered a low pulse ox? ›

The “SpO2” reading on a pulse oximeter shows the percentage of oxygen in someone's blood. If your home SpO2 reading is lower than 95%, call your health care provider.

Is sp02 lower at night? ›

Everyone's oxygen levels in the blood are lower during sleep, due to a mildly reduced level of breathing. Also, some alveoli drop out of use during sleep. If your waking oxygen saturation is greater than about 94 percent on room air, it is unlikely that your saturation during sleep will fall below 88 percent.

What if spo2 is 94 during sleep? ›

The blood carries oxygen to your brain, and if the percentage of oxygen in the blood is always above 94% during sleep, then your brain is getting the oxygen during sleep that it needs, and you will likely wake refreshed.

Can lack of sleep cause low oxygen levels? ›

So how does sleep relate to your arteries? Well, sleep apnea is a major risk factor for CAD, likely because fragmented sleep can lead to low levels of oxygen in your body (hypoxia), contribute to inflammation, and lead to intrathoracic pressure swings (pressure fluctuations inside your heart).

Why does my spo2 drop while I sleep? ›

Drops in blood oxygen level are called desaturations. Desaturations can occur due to illnesses (like lung disease) while you are awake, but they are even more likely to occur while you are asleep. Sleep apnea is the most common cause of oxygen desaturation during sleep.

How accurate is SpO2 on smartwatch? ›

The authors report 95% limits of agreement of -5.8% and +5.9%. In patients and conditions where the conventional pulse oximeter measured >90% spO2, the Apple Watch measured on average 1% higher than the conventional device.

Does Garmin Pulse Ox read low? ›

It's the same as with reading the heart rate - the watch should be strapped tightly to you wrist and you shouldn't be moving if you want accurate results. Yep, mine are low. Normally around 93-95 % , I used a finger based pulse ox the other day which read about 98% while the instinct was showing 94%.

What SpO2 indicates sleep apnea? ›

When the percentage of oxygen saturation falls below 94%, that is called a desaturation. If the total number of desaturations divided by the total time is 5 or more desaturations per hour, then that is considered mild sleep apnea.

How do I get VO2 max on my Forerunner 245? ›

The Forerunner® device requires wrist-based heart rate or a compatible chest heart rate monitor to display your VO2 max. estimate. On the device, your VO2 max. estimate appears as a number, description, and position on the color gauge.

Is blood oxygen level of 92 OK? ›

If you are using an at-home oximeter, you should contact your health care provider if your oxygen saturation level is 92 percent or lower. If it falls to 88 percent or lower, seek immediate medical attention.

What can interfere with an accurate SpO2 reading? ›

Recommendations for Health Care Providers. Be aware that multiple factors can affect the accuracy of a pulse oximeter reading, such as poor circulation, skin pigmentation, skin thickness, skin temperature, current tobacco use, and use of fingernail polish.

What is SpO2 normal range? ›

Blood oxygen levels are indicated as SpO2, which is the percent saturation of oxygen in the blood. 95%-100%: Normal oxygen levels in a pulse oximeter usually range from 95%-100%.

What is normal oxygen level on Garmin? ›

Normal oxygen levels are between 95 and 100 percent. A rating lower than 95 can indicate problems with your body's circulation, but your normal baseline might vary.

What is the lowest spo2 during sleep? ›

While asleep, blood oxygen levels typically remain between 95 and 100 percent; however, if levels fall below 90 percent, hypoxemia occurs.

What is a dangerously low oxygen level while sleeping? ›

Oxygen levels are considered abnormal when they drop below 90%. They are severely abnormal when below 80%. 1 People with obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) typically have low oxygen levels because of the pauses in breathing the condition causes during sleep.

Can Garmin detect sleep apnea? ›

Brands. The most popular wearables used as a sleep apnea detection device include products from Garmin, Fitbit and Apple. The latest Forerunner and Vivoactive line of Garmin sports watches have features that allow them to monitor Sleep Apnea once the user applies a software update.

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